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this is what was airing on the nra webcast. that was very different from the statement that they released. let me play what happened. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-guns. listen to the survivors at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left and adam landry knew what he wanted to do. >> that was the webcast saying that the gun-free zones are not the answer. you would want guns in school zones. michael, is that different than the statement of meaningful contributions that the nra said they are ready to discuss? >> we are going to find out on friday. that's when they have a pressure in washington and come forth with whatever their contributions might be. i think the nra will make a gross calculation if they maintain that line in the sand and that position of never giving an inch. one practical consideration in my home, we have four kids. the gifts are wrapped. this won't be a holiday season where we get into christmas and forget. for parents it's going to accentuate the recogn
this is what was airing on the nra webcast. that was very different from the statement that they released. let me play what happened. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-guns. listen to the survivors at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left and adam landry knew what he wanted to do. >> that was the webcast saying that the gun-free zones are not the answer. you would want guns in school zones. michael, is that different than the...
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it's the nra and assault weapons that are killing our children. >> protesters accused the nra of having blood on its hands. i'll be speaking to one of those in a moment. wayne lapierre paused and then continued and blamed the violence on video games, on the media, on just about everything but guns. they said the news media is consumed with hate for the nra, but the proposal to have armed guards in schools in america is stirring the most debate. jeffrey, let me lay my cards on the table off the top here. i watched that press conference or that statement with mounting horror and anger, but i was also aware that a lot of people in america would have watched it and said he's right. >> yeah, people will say that the answer to every escalating sort of violent act in america is the ability to use more violence to counter that. and it never stops. so you're going to give a security guard a regular gun against someone who has an assault weapon. so when the assault weapon overpowers the regular gun, you give the security guard in the school an assault weapon, where does this end? it doesn't end.
it's the nra and assault weapons that are killing our children. >> protesters accused the nra of having blood on its hands. i'll be speaking to one of those in a moment. wayne lapierre paused and then continued and blamed the violence on video games, on the media, on just about everything but guns. they said the news media is consumed with hate for the nra, but the proposal to have armed guards in schools in america is stirring the most debate. jeffrey, let me lay my cards on the table...
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also the nra they referred us to last night's comment. i want to bring in a man who says more guns equals less crime. tell me your views and i will raise them on air. sfx- "sounds of african drum and flute" look who's back. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios >>> majority of americans support banning the sale of high capacity ammunition clips. back with me now, let's start with you steve, the president made it clear, he wants to see a ban on assault weapons. what is your reaction? >> my reac
also the nra they referred us to last night's comment. i want to bring in a man who says more guns equals less crime. tell me your views and i will raise them on air. sfx- "sounds of african drum and flute" look who's back. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save...
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the nra is killing our children. we've got to stop the violence. violence begins with the nra. stating the true facts. they are the perpetrators of the crimes taking place in our schools and on our streets. >> the truth is, that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monste monsters -- people that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can ever possibly comprehend them. they walk among us every single day. and does anybody really believe that the next adam lanza isn't planning his attack on a school he's already identified at this very moment? how many more copy cats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame? from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave. while provoking others to try to make their mark. a dozen more killers, a hundred more? how can we possibly even guess how many given our nation's refusal to create an active national data base of the mentally ill? the fact is this. that wouldn't even begin to address the much large
the nra is killing our children. we've got to stop the violence. violence begins with the nra. stating the true facts. they are the perpetrators of the crimes taking place in our schools and on our streets. >> the truth is, that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monste monsters -- people that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can ever possibly comprehend them. they walk among us every single day. and does...
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and tom foreman who attended friday's nra event. tom, what was it like being at this nra event? i won't call it a press conference. are you surprised that not a single journalist got to ask a question? >> it was not a press conference. all of us expected to exchange questions and answers with wayne lapierre and the president of nra who was there. it didn't happen at all. it did not happen but adamantly did not happen. several of us tried to call out questions to the participants and even at one point i said to them, would you answer even one question? are you willing to talk to the white house about any of this, even to that, they just kept walking. that was a big disappointment and sort of set the tone for the room. >> when wayne lapierre said falsehoods about semiautomatic weapons and the media are demonizing gun owners, is he right? >> no. but even before that what he got was a priceless gift of 25 minutes of free media from those news organizations that elected to carry it live. and i bet they were rather disappointed when they learned, as you just said, tom, that there woul
and tom foreman who attended friday's nra event. tom, what was it like being at this nra event? i won't call it a press conference. are you surprised that not a single journalist got to ask a question? >> it was not a press conference. all of us expected to exchange questions and answers with wayne lapierre and the president of nra who was there. it didn't happen at all. it did not happen but adamantly did not happen. several of us tried to call out questions to the participants and even...
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the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's governing us. >> thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. a res, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. [ male announcer ] when diarrhea hits, kaopectate stops it fast. powerful liquid relief speeds to the source. fast. [ male announcer ] stop the uh-oh fast with kaopectate. >>> a morning show usually sounds like a fraternity show. after the sandy hoo
the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's governing us. >> thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. a res, try...
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i don't know that the nra has the kind of grip, the physical grip, that it believes it has. it does, however, have a psychological grip, and i think it's time we broke it. >> right. karen, the president was incredulous at wednesday's press conference when it was suggested the political will to act on gun control will fade in a brief amount of time. take a listen. >> i would hope that our memories aren't so short that of what we saw in newtown isn't lingering with us, that we don't remain passionate about it only a month later? >> isn't it incredible that he was having to say that in less than a week after a horrific shooting? >> yeah. it is, but let's think about the reality of this town. here we are awaiting, you know, the fiscal cliff, and we all know if anything is going to happen, it's going to come right down to the wire because things don't happen in this town, this is the new habit, i guess, until we are in a crisis mode, and so i think the question -- the president is exactly right. there's no reason that a month from now there shouldn't be the same level of passion
i don't know that the nra has the kind of grip, the physical grip, that it believes it has. it does, however, have a psychological grip, and i think it's time we broke it. >> right. karen, the president was incredulous at wednesday's press conference when it was suggested the political will to act on gun control will fade in a brief amount of time. take a listen. >> i would hope that our memories aren't so short that of what we saw in newtown isn't lingering with us, that we don't...
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. >> the nra breaking its silence. the powerful gun lobby will hold a major news conference to announce the actions it plans to take in the wake of the elementary school tragedy. the national rifle association breaking that silence for the first time yesterday saying it was prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this never happens again. the gun rights organization and gun rights advocates in congress both under public pressure to join the call for action. >> just wonder -- this long after a mass killing like that, little 6 and 7-year-olds, there is not a single republican in america, in elected office, not going to step up and say something? >> i think that says something in itself. >> i think it is time to talk, guys. one way or the other, where do you stand on this issue? >> joining me this morning is connecticut congressman joe courtney. good to have you here. the president is speaking in 45 minutes from now to announce this new interagency task force on gun control. he's not expected to announce an
. >> the nra breaking its silence. the powerful gun lobby will hold a major news conference to announce the actions it plans to take in the wake of the elementary school tragedy. the national rifle association breaking that silence for the first time yesterday saying it was prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this never happens again. the gun rights organization and gun rights advocates in congress both under public pressure to join the call for action. >> just...
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does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i decided to do in the last election was to support some candidates that were running against those that had great records with the nra, where the nra was putting their money into one side. i decided to put my money into the other side. >> joe baca in california, one of the democrats that you supported? >> we won four out of seven -- four out of seven where the nra supported every one of those four and we won with a small amount of money. there is this myth that the nra is so powerful. you go back to what happened back when the democrats lost after
does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago they didn't have the power they once did in a presidential election. >> i'll give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, you know, the world is getting worse for my kids, and i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i'm going to do everything while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids but also for society. and take a look. one of the things i...
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the nra spends about 66 times as much on lobbying as the brady campaign. and they spent during the campaign contributing to candidates 4100 times as much as the brady campaign. this has now become a one-sided discussion, and america deserves a discussion. >> this has been a tipping point. i think it was so grotesque, coming on the back of aurora, which in itself was horrifying beyond belief, a movie theater, now elementary school children. barack obama after being reelected, he has to think of a legacy now. does he want his legacy to be a series of further mass shootings in which he did nothing. because there are going to be more mass shootings. there have been four already in the last four years of increasing appalling detail. there is going to be worse. >> i think that you're right in the sense that every cause has an inflection point. and this may be the inflection point for the cause of people who want to at least see a reinstatement of the assault weapons ban. but i think that what we have to do as a society, and what i hope the president will be prep
the nra spends about 66 times as much on lobbying as the brady campaign. and they spent during the campaign contributing to candidates 4100 times as much as the brady campaign. this has now become a one-sided discussion, and america deserves a discussion. >> this has been a tipping point. i think it was so grotesque, coming on the back of aurora, which in itself was horrifying beyond belief, a movie theater, now elementary school children. barack obama after being reelected, he has to...
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the nra can't -- they can't say anything now. they can't -- you know, they can't whisper a word without getting slammed by anybody. you so, the politicians, too, nobody is going to say anything that doesn't fit with the sentiment of the country right now. that's grieving. >> you know, part of the grieving process has been done on social media now. and i've heard from the people of this community how much it's helped to see tweets that people have sent to them. in some cases, in the case of one of the daughters of victim this morning, she said she's gotten thousands. thousands. there's a dark side, though. connecticut state police are saying they are looking to arrest people who have posted misinformation about the shootings. impersonating the shooter and investigators. it seems unfathomable that one would want to add to the heartache. my question is, how easy for someone to do that and how complicated is it for police to prosecutor that? >> it is unfathomable. it's not understandable. people don't know that impedes the investigat
the nra can't -- they can't say anything now. they can't -- you know, they can't whisper a word without getting slammed by anybody. you so, the politicians, too, nobody is going to say anything that doesn't fit with the sentiment of the country right now. that's grieving. >> you know, part of the grieving process has been done on social media now. and i've heard from the people of this community how much it's helped to see tweets that people have sent to them. in some cases, in the case...
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to ban or limit to the sale of high capacity ammunition clips and closed the gun show loophole, the nra has broken its silence of the sandy hook massacre in a statement they said out of respect for families and as a matter of common decency... they plan to hold a news conference friday in washington. president preckwinkle saying that the board is standing by its assault rifle ban asking the state to do the same we have a band here in cook county which is under court challenge so we proceeded to defend the ban and we would hope that the state of illinois as well would defend assault weapons the names of all victims were read at the meeting today. board members also expressed concern that the victims should not be forgotten and action should be taken. so many people still suffering without heat or homes after the hurricane, how chicago police are still lending a hand for the holidays. we check in with another group that helped so many during sandy. he can't even spell the word hero yet but tonight he sure is being called one a story you will not want to miss is coming up. ♪ this holiday
to ban or limit to the sale of high capacity ammunition clips and closed the gun show loophole, the nra has broken its silence of the sandy hook massacre in a statement they said out of respect for families and as a matter of common decency... they plan to hold a news conference friday in washington. president preckwinkle saying that the board is standing by its assault rifle ban asking the state to do the same we have a band here in cook county which is under court challenge so we proceeded to...
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an assault weapons -- >> and a majority of nra members, katie, nra members are fine with background checks. what is wrong with saying let's just make sure we know who's buying guns. >> give me your final thought on this. you may wind up voting or may not. where do you think we ought to go first priority? >> well, i'm glad the president has set up a commission to bring everybody's thoughts together about this. because it's clear from debate we just heard -- >> cabinet officers, not national -- his cabinet officers. >> he should expand the circle to include representatives of all the groups that have been affected most profoundly by this. everybody's affected by it. but there are concentric circles within a society that we have to think about. you've talked about the individual and about the family and about the community and it is -- the society -- all of these play a role, and our society is unique in that way. and our liberties are unique. so we really do rely on those circles, the community, the family, and the individual. >> i'm for the right -- i'm for the right to bear arms, but i thi
an assault weapons -- >> and a majority of nra members, katie, nra members are fine with background checks. what is wrong with saying let's just make sure we know who's buying guns. >> give me your final thought on this. you may wind up voting or may not. where do you think we ought to go first priority? >> well, i'm glad the president has set up a commission to bring everybody's thoughts together about this. because it's clear from debate we just heard -- >> cabinet...
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i'm not happy with the nra. i am not happy with the nra. and i am a gun owner myself. there is just no reason for automatic weapons in the public and clips that discharge so many rounds of ammunition. >> but of course the question is how many armed garl eed guards need, who would pay for this, would you position these people in every room in the school? all these people are questions we still don't have answers for. miguel? >> they are, indeed, tough and good questions. turning to the investigation, any progress being made to find out information from adam lanza's computer hard drive? >> well, the fbi is still working on that. their facility at quantico, virginia. remember that computer was -- had been destroyed by that -- by the shooter in this case. and so they've been trying to piece together the hard drive. now, we don't have any information about what they're finding, but in the meantime, of course, they're trying to find some kind of digital footprint for this young man. was he sending e-mails to anybody? did he flag his intentions to anyone? for the most part, w
i'm not happy with the nra. i am not happy with the nra. and i am a gun owner myself. there is just no reason for automatic weapons in the public and clips that discharge so many rounds of ammunition. >> but of course the question is how many armed garl eed guards need, who would pay for this, would you position these people in every room in the school? all these people are questions we still don't have answers for. miguel? >> they are, indeed, tough and good questions. turning to...
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when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the accidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is that looking around the web, it is actually easier to go online and purchase a 100 round clip high capacity magazine than it is to renew my driver's license in florida. if you transfer $10,000 of your money, it triggers your bank that goes to the federal government. but you can go online and with free holiday shipping purchase a high capacity magazine. even the law enforcement in the communities have no way of know ing a large number of weapons, perhaps a bullet proof vest. that might send off a few alarms. making it harder to exercise the right to vote. we should think that people are more responsible owning a gun than casting a ballo
when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the accidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is that looking around the web, it is actually...
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is that an a rating from the nra or an f rating in the nra? >> the phones should be ringing off the hook. emails should be going crazy. members of congress and plenty of republicans have people in their districts who will be harmed by this deal. they need to hear from them, and so i think it's so important that groups continue to mobilize people, not just talk in the media, but mobilize their people to express their outrage. >> as far as this million dollar threshold, we've talked a lot in the months prior about this being sort of the sticking point, the threshold, but nancy pelosi was on record. she was on charlie rose, speaker boehner's office points this out, saying, look, let's just raise taxes on millionaires. is it difficult for house democrats to walk that back now that they've been on the record saying that? >> not particularly. i mean, we understand the gop is very good at their communication strategy. they'll say this was nancy pelosi's plan. this was chuck schumer's plan. they say they won't even support a tax cut for those making a
is that an a rating from the nra or an f rating in the nra? >> the phones should be ringing off the hook. emails should be going crazy. members of congress and plenty of republicans have people in their districts who will be harmed by this deal. they need to hear from them, and so i think it's so important that groups continue to mobilize people, not just talk in the media, but mobilize their people to express their outrage. >> as far as this million dollar threshold, we've talked a...
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. >> the nra has made a statement today. the key part saying they're prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> don't hold your breath. >> jeffrey, tell me this annoying -- what did he call me, a bucolic brit. as someone who went through, very similar, the children same age killed. which means we only get 35 gun letters a year. it's the same in australia. many european companies have a similar rate. we just don't get how the nr are a is apparently so powerful that it's able to dictate policy on this on the way it does. is that going to change that michael bloomberg came out and said stop being so terrified of the nra. >> i think nra is just as powerful as they have been. and they have all the time in the world. the news media, we have a short attention span. six months from now, we're not going to be covering this story around the clock. but the nra is going to be working even harder. any debate about gun control will start to get bogged down in details which do you band, do you ban
. >> the nra has made a statement today. the key part saying they're prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> don't hold your breath. >> jeffrey, tell me this annoying -- what did he call me, a bucolic brit. as someone who went through, very similar, the children same age killed. which means we only get 35 gun letters a year. it's the same in australia. many european companies have a similar rate. we just don't get how the nr are a...
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the nra has four million members. american has 10 billion people living here. i just don't understand why everybody is so coward about publicly debating this and trying to get the measures in place that you've just suggested. >> i think there really has been a seismic change, the political landscape is changing, almost as people react to the horror of beautiful children, babies, really, slaughtered and the teachers and other professionals who came to their aid, putting themselves literally between the bullets and those children. i think that a nerve has been touched and i think that newtown will never be the same but neither will america. and so i think that kind of nerve hitting will be reflected in what happens here in washington. >> are you really sensing, from your colleagues, that this is a tipping point? >> i really am sensing that there is an openness and willingness on the part of a lot of people who never would have considered -- for example, a ban on assault weapons which, as everybody knows, were designed for military use and right now even in the st
the nra has four million members. american has 10 billion people living here. i just don't understand why everybody is so coward about publicly debating this and trying to get the measures in place that you've just suggested. >> i think there really has been a seismic change, the political landscape is changing, almost as people react to the horror of beautiful children, babies, really, slaughtered and the teachers and other professionals who came to their aid, putting themselves...
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i want to pass along this programming note that the nra news conference will be held at 10:45 a.m. eastern time tomorrow and this note, too. "meet the press" has this exclusive interview with wayne lapierre this sunday, his first since the newtown shooting. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove [ male announcer ] zales is the diamond store. save 25 percent off an amazing selection storewide, now through monday. >>> hours from now the house will vote on speaker john boehner's plan b. and to pull that bill. >> the american people did not re-elect the conservative house of representatives to become tax collectors for barack obama's welfare state. >> we supported challengers who were opposed to t.a.r.p. we were opposed to the debt deal 2011 and this is the sort of vote that we'll look at closely when we look at our options in 2014. >
i want to pass along this programming note that the nra news conference will be held at 10:45 a.m. eastern time tomorrow and this note, too. "meet the press" has this exclusive interview with wayne lapierre this sunday, his first since the newtown shooting. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup...
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i expected the nra to embrace universe at background checks. i thought nra might get out in front of the ban on military assault rifles. i don't think that message played so well which is what david is saying in middle america. >> the problem not the nra. the problem is we're having the wrong conversation as we should be. not guns. they don't massacre a bunch of people. >> what i i'm trying to say is the mentally ill have free access to our weapon. "the new york times" had a front page story about the swiss cheese nature of the fbi's record-keeping pertaining to those who have a mental illness or -- >> listen, michael. >> real quick. >> this is what wayne lapierre said. he talked about mental illness. they're opposed to background checks on people who go to gun shows, who sell guns to each other privately, not through gun stores. so it doesn't matter. >> i was shocked by that. i wish we had more time. thank you, david corn. thank you steven siebold. >>> up next, the most challenged quotes of the year. stick around with me for side show and if y
i expected the nra to embrace universe at background checks. i thought nra might get out in front of the ban on military assault rifles. i don't think that message played so well which is what david is saying in middle america. >> the problem not the nra. the problem is we're having the wrong conversation as we should be. not guns. they don't massacre a bunch of people. >> what i i'm trying to say is the mentally ill have free access to our weapon. "the new york times" had...
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shame on the nra. >> one of the protesters led away after disrupting the nra speech, calling for armed guards in schools, says the group has too much influence over elected officials, and that's not all she's saying. she'll join us live. f year agai. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. >>> right now in the newsroom, the opening bell rang at the stock exchange. stocks will close early, 1:00 eastern for the holiday. if you're wondering who's ringing the bell, these are the 12 festive dancers from the monte carlo. i wish they'd ring the bell every day, don't you? onto the news. >>> u.s. senator michael crapo is apologizing after being arrested and charged with driv
shame on the nra. >> one of the protesters led away after disrupting the nra speech, calling for armed guards in schools, says the group has too much influence over elected officials, and that's not all she's saying. she'll join us live. f year agai. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get...
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one of them is there's a big difference between nra members and what they want and the nra lobbyists in washington and what they want. 74% of nra members think everybody should get a background check. that's something that 82% of gun owners think. 71% of nra members think that, if you're on a terror watch list and you couldn't board an airplane with me this morning when i flew to new york, you shouldn't be able to have a gun. so there's a big difference between what the rank and file think and what the nra leadership thinks. i think the leadership is going to start hearing from their rank and file that they actually want to be represented. the second thing is the nra has developed this reputation for being an awesome political force because they give a lot of money to a lot of different candidates, and there hasn't been much political giving on our side of this issue, where we think we should support the second amendment, but also do more to put guns in the wrong hands. i think that is changing. i think we need a lot more people to get involved. if we look at the electoral history of
one of them is there's a big difference between nra members and what they want and the nra lobbyists in washington and what they want. 74% of nra members think everybody should get a background check. that's something that 82% of gun owners think. 71% of nra members think that, if you're on a terror watch list and you couldn't board an airplane with me this morning when i flew to new york, you shouldn't be able to have a gun. so there's a big difference between what the rank and file think and...
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they're afraid of the nra. they're afraid of the large lobbyists and that's the same thing as the members of congress. whether they're republican or democrat. you see that, that they cower behind and not get anything done instead of standing up. they're afraid they're going to lose their next election. if we can save a whole bunch of lives, isn't that what we're supposed to be in congress for? it's not -- >> i understand that. >> it's not taking away the right of someone to own a gun. >> you can't be elected to the united states senate from pennsylvania unless you're for gun rights totally, 100%. i know that's true in ohio and michigan, states like that. we have another person here, collin, thank you for joining us. you were at virginia tech, you were a survivor down there and i'm glad you were. here you are. a lot of people in the gun ownership side, the second amendment people, the zealots, say if a bunch of people have guns they could shoot this guy down when he walked in the door. i can imagine what we will
they're afraid of the nra. they're afraid of the large lobbyists and that's the same thing as the members of congress. whether they're republican or democrat. you see that, that they cower behind and not get anything done instead of standing up. they're afraid they're going to lose their next election. if we can save a whole bunch of lives, isn't that what we're supposed to be in congress for? it's not -- >> i understand that. >> it's not taking away the right of someone to own a...
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the nra embarrassed itself. as michael said they had an opportunity today to change the national image of the nra. if they said, look, no american gun owner, no hunter needs a high capacity magazine with more than ten bullets and a clip, we're for that ban. our members, frank luntz, fox news frank luntz poll 47% of our members said no one should get a gun without a background check. we're endorsing a federal ban on gun shows selling guns without background checks. federal ban on internet sales. they could have taken a real step towards enhancing their credibility. they embarrassed himself. learning apierr emp pm-- lapier resign. the republicans have a choice. break with the nra or have every suburban american that looks like this and says this guy is nuts. if you look at this statement you have to think this guy is whacked. that's a danger for the republicans to align themselves with. >> i know you don't mean this in a flip callous way but your reaction is similar to other people who are not anti-gun, they are a
the nra embarrassed itself. as michael said they had an opportunity today to change the national image of the nra. if they said, look, no american gun owner, no hunter needs a high capacity magazine with more than ten bullets and a clip, we're for that ban. our members, frank luntz, fox news frank luntz poll 47% of our members said no one should get a gun without a background check. we're endorsing a federal ban on gun shows selling guns without background checks. federal ban on internet sales....
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we will hear from the nra on this issue tomorrow. press conference is planned. what do you make of this? charles: people who own guns have a legitimate concern that ultimately the tragedy will be used to not just go after assault rifles and enhancements but to go after their guns. three hundred million guns were not used in that massacre, people are legitimately afraid they're going to lose those rights. liz: i am horrified by the trend. it is appalling. we have too many guns in this country. we have to get rid of the loophole that allows people to buy essentially assault weapons from -- without a background check. i don't think those should be on the street at all. we need save the commission that regulates toy guns and the national highway traffic commission and the safety administration monitoring cars and protecting people from cars. we need more government protection from too many guns. stuart: there must be millions of assault weapons out there in america today. if you ben them are you banning future sales or are you saying the government should go out and
we will hear from the nra on this issue tomorrow. press conference is planned. what do you make of this? charles: people who own guns have a legitimate concern that ultimately the tragedy will be used to not just go after assault rifles and enhancements but to go after their guns. three hundred million guns were not used in that massacre, people are legitimately afraid they're going to lose those rights. liz: i am horrified by the trend. it is appalling. we have too many guns in this country....
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two words for the nra. score this. >> senior obama advisor david axelrod blasted out e-mail to campaign supporters yesterday that linked them to a video of the president eulogy from the new township victim at two places alongside the video box. visitors were encouraged to donate money. one asking for $5. >> bret: see how that gets reaction all over. james, thank you. republican governor rick snyder vetoed legislation to allow concealed weapons in churches, schools and daycare centers. he said the public venue need clear legal authority to been a the firearms. "if they see fit to do so." still ahead, imagine five days in syrian captivity. the foreign correspondent lived through it. lawmakers await benghazi review. [ whistle blows ] hi victor! mom? i know you got to go in a minute but this is a real quick me, that's perfect for two! campbell's chunky beef with country vegetables, poured over rice! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. >> bret: checking international headlines now.
two words for the nra. score this. >> senior obama advisor david axelrod blasted out e-mail to campaign supporters yesterday that linked them to a video of the president eulogy from the new township victim at two places alongside the video box. visitors were encouraged to donate money. one asking for $5. >> bret: see how that gets reaction all over. james, thank you. republican governor rick snyder vetoed legislation to allow concealed weapons in churches, schools and daycare...
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the nra plan coming on the heels of the tragedy in newtown, connecticut. the deadliest mass shooting in a grade school in american history where the gunman armed with semi-automatic rifles made his way into the school with handguns as well. he killed 20 children and six adults before turning the gun on himself. peter doocy is live in washington with the latest on the question of guns and guards in is schools. >> the consultant leading the nra's effort to secure the schools is asa hutchinson, a former republican congressman from arkansas who said he didn't think new laws and prohibition is the right way to respond to what happened in sandy hook and compared the nra plan to put a trained guard in every american school to the federal air marshal program put in place after 9/11. >> more sensitive that be airplanes. people resisted having weapons on airplanes but i oversaw the federal air marshals and it's a deterrent, no one sees that weapon but they're protected on the airplane and it's a positive impact on safety. schools are a sensitive environment as well.
the nra plan coming on the heels of the tragedy in newtown, connecticut. the deadliest mass shooting in a grade school in american history where the gunman armed with semi-automatic rifles made his way into the school with handguns as well. he killed 20 children and six adults before turning the gun on himself. peter doocy is live in washington with the latest on the question of guns and guards in is schools. >> the consultant leading the nra's effort to secure the schools is asa...
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the nra themselves have been relatively quiet on the issue. they've deactivated their facebook page. have they spoken to you, and what do you think their response would be to a feinstein bill if it got support? >> we're the nra, i have reached out and spoken to them. i intend to do an awful lot more. i want them engaged in this dialogue. these are good people. and they need to be at the table. and bottom line is, what we're asking is for all of us to come together and see reasonable approaches we can take. still protecting the second amendment rights. that's their concern. and my concern also. and again, they don't need to be ville nized, nor should they be. they're going to be a strong participant and they should be at the table. i'm going to do everything i can to make sure they are. >> senator, we had a ban on assault weapons in this country that expired in 2004. it's the early days, but to the extent there is any momentum reinstating such a ban, do you think it has a realistic chance of passing the house and senate? >> carl, i would think
the nra themselves have been relatively quiet on the issue. they've deactivated their facebook page. have they spoken to you, and what do you think their response would be to a feinstein bill if it got support? >> we're the nra, i have reached out and spoken to them. i intend to do an awful lot more. i want them engaged in this dialogue. these are good people. and they need to be at the table. and bottom line is, what we're asking is for all of us to come together and see reasonable...
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the nra breaks its silence. president obama and communities all over america paused in a moment of silence. president obama is calling for a ban on assault weapons. today, the nra offered a rather different solution. publicly breaking the silence. the silence for the first time since the massacre, the nra proposed a sweeping plan to have armed guards at every school in the nation. >> the truth is our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters. people that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can ever possibly comprehend them. they walk among us every single day. and does anybody really believe that the next adam lanza isn't planning his attack on a school? since when did a gun automatically become a bad word? a gun in the hands of a secret service agent protecting our president isn't a bad word. a gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the united states of america isn't a bad word. and when you hear your glass breaking at 3:00 a.m. and you
the nra breaks its silence. president obama and communities all over america paused in a moment of silence. president obama is calling for a ban on assault weapons. today, the nra offered a rather different solution. publicly breaking the silence. the silence for the first time since the massacre, the nra proposed a sweeping plan to have armed guards at every school in the nation. >> the truth is our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters. people that are so...
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i heard an nra guy one time from washington say he had the right to have a bazooka in his house fechted to. that's insane. david, one of the things we've talked about this morning is the idea of trying to use technology to solve some of these problems, including fingerprint technology where you would effectively lock a gun to a specific individual and hopefully they have been checked out when they register for the gun in the first place. how do you feel about that? >> sure. and gun companies are trying to manufacture those because there's a -- they could sell more guns to some customers who would like that. the problem is, you can't mandate them, certainly not at this point, because we tell existing state of the technology, they're not reliable enough. and that's why police officers who, like anybody else, has to have a gun for self-defense, absolutely you know, people try to use fingerprint readers all the times in various applications, whether it's say booting up the portable computer or things like that and people with experience in doing that know that sometimes those things don't w
i heard an nra guy one time from washington say he had the right to have a bazooka in his house fechted to. that's insane. david, one of the things we've talked about this morning is the idea of trying to use technology to solve some of these problems, including fingerprint technology where you would effectively lock a gun to a specific individual and hopefully they have been checked out when they register for the gun in the first place. how do you feel about that? >> sure. and gun...
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i'm not happy with the nra, i'm not happy with the nra and i'm a gun owner myself. there's just no reason for automatic weapons out in the public and clips that discharge so many rounds of ammunition. >> i have many guns, but i do not have a 30 round clip and a semiautomatic weapon. we have a tragedy here and we have to address it. they are not addressing it. that is what i tell them. you are not addressing the situation here. >>. >> reporter: at a shooting range in california, others supported the nra. >> the only way to fight fire is with fire. so, if you have somebody that is armed and you are not, you are part of the problem, you are not part of the solution. >> i think it's a good idea. but you are going to have to train these people on how to use weapons. because once you start shooting inside of a classroom, someone will get hurt. the thing is not to let the intruder go into the classroom. >> reporter: how many armed guards to you need? every room, every door? the nra did not take questions after making the statement. don? >> thank you very much. lots more to
i'm not happy with the nra, i'm not happy with the nra and i'm a gun owner myself. there's just no reason for automatic weapons out in the public and clips that discharge so many rounds of ammunition. >> i have many guns, but i do not have a 30 round clip and a semiautomatic weapon. we have a tragedy here and we have to address it. they are not addressing it. that is what i tell them. you are not addressing the situation here. >>. >> reporter: at a shooting range in...
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>>> right now, sticking to his guns, the head of the nra refuses to back down on his opposition to any new gun laws. >>> plus the countdown to cliff-mas. >>> i believe the president is eager to go over theically for political purposes, he sense as victory at the bottom of the cliff. >> while they're miles apart on the cliff, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle go a distance to say a final good-bye to a friend and a giant of the senate, senator inouye. >>> first at the top of the hour, at least two firefighters were killed after arriving at the scene of a fire. two other fire fighters were also wounded. at this point it's unknown how many shooters were involved. the firefighters were forced to retreat. they were not able to put the flames out. at least three homes and one vehicle are burning. firefighters are calling them a complete lost. the police chief says it's still an active crime scene. we have this from a reporter a bit earlier from the crime scene. okay. that is not the right piece of sound firefighters, again, involved in that. >>> now to the top of the block and the stories
>>> right now, sticking to his guns, the head of the nra refuses to back down on his opposition to any new gun laws. >>> plus the countdown to cliff-mas. >>> i believe the president is eager to go over theically for political purposes, he sense as victory at the bottom of the cliff. >> while they're miles apart on the cliff, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle go a distance to say a final good-bye to a friend and a giant of the senate, senator inouye....
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but only if they tow the line 100% on the nra's agenda. and if they deviate at all, it is made very clear to them that the nra will turn it is guns on them and support a challenger and will take them out. and that has happened on a few occasions and people understand in the republican party that they can't cross the nra. well, i think that's going to change. it's going to have to change if the party is going to survive because what happens is, as we saw the last time around, the nominee simply lose in the general election. the public has lost its appetite for the nra's political agenda of unlimited access to guns. >> you know, debra, the nra has remained very quiet in the wake of this tragedy, and often in the wake of other school shootings. and then come out pretty hard against legislation down the road once attention has faded away. do you think it's going to be any different now? do you think there is a change in the public's attitude? >> well, we'll have to wait and see. i can tell that you in tennessee they were quite hypocritical of
but only if they tow the line 100% on the nra's agenda. and if they deviate at all, it is made very clear to them that the nra will turn it is guns on them and support a challenger and will take them out. and that has happened on a few occasions and people understand in the republican party that they can't cross the nra. well, i think that's going to change. it's going to have to change if the party is going to survive because what happens is, as we saw the last time around, the nominee simply...
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he won with a 29% margin, defying the nra, even before tonight. defying the nra in kentucky. they were giving him a failing grade. they could tell he was not using their talking points even prior to now. there is a lesson there, it seems to me, as he was saying, in the ability to override the nra when it comes down to the real election for congress. >> yeah, you know, absolutely, and mayor michael bloom berg says that the nra is really just a paper tiger. if you look at their record in the just completed election, they had a less than 1% success rate in terms of all the money in the millions and millions they spent trying to defeat the president. but what i think is important, lawrence, you're starting to see the benefits of being with the nra, and sort of not risking them in opposing an election, are starting to be outweighed in being associated with them. i mean, the nra doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation here, they are the ones trying to clear the way to stop states from banning machine guns, to bring back the dillinger, so they're not actually a friend you want to
he won with a 29% margin, defying the nra, even before tonight. defying the nra in kentucky. they were giving him a failing grade. they could tell he was not using their talking points even prior to now. there is a lesson there, it seems to me, as he was saying, in the ability to override the nra when it comes down to the real election for congress. >> yeah, you know, absolutely, and mayor michael bloom berg says that the nra is really just a paper tiger. if you look at their record in...
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this is what the nra wants to do. given the history of there being armed -- all kinds of armed guards at schools where there were shootings, do you think it will really work? >> well, you know, when we call 911, we don't want to disarm security guard showing up to help us. now, there are many different things we can do. that perhaps is appropriate in some situations. i believe new york city schools, many of them, have security officers that are armed. that's not the whole picture. if we focus just on the firearm, we miss the opportunity to address the larger problems here with our mental health system, which is in shambles in this country, and what is really comes down to is money, why are we going to put our priorities, in the mill ear, overseas, or right here with our own people in america? >> thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate it. especially on this holiday. >> thank you. >> other headlines to tell you about. >>> we expect to fin out the official results of egypt's constitutional referendum vote. unof
this is what the nra wants to do. given the history of there being armed -- all kinds of armed guards at schools where there were shootings, do you think it will really work? >> well, you know, when we call 911, we don't want to disarm security guard showing up to help us. now, there are many different things we can do. that perhaps is appropriate in some situations. i believe new york city schools, many of them, have security officers that are armed. that's not the whole picture. if we...
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. >> shame on the nra! >> reporter: as demonstrators marched on nra headquarters, phone calls poured in to congressional offices. >> okay, so you're in support of gun control legislation? >> reporter: kentucky democrat john yarmuth says most of the calls have been in favor of new gun restrictions. as a democrat from a conservative southern state, yarmuth says he avoided the issue for the past six years. but now he wants to reinstate the ban on assault weapons. >> nothing's going to bring back those 20 children and six very courageous educators. but we can make sure that's our inspiration, battle cry. and i won't be quiet anymore. >> reporter: neither will senator joe manchin of west virginia. like yarmuth, he has a record of being pro-gun rights. he even fired in a campaign ad. after friday's shooting, manchin says there must be a way to limit the purchase of high-capacity magazines. >> this is not about the second amendment to our constitution or taking guns away. it's been having an intelligent conversati
. >> shame on the nra! >> reporter: as demonstrators marched on nra headquarters, phone calls poured in to congressional offices. >> okay, so you're in support of gun control legislation? >> reporter: kentucky democrat john yarmuth says most of the calls have been in favor of new gun restrictions. as a democrat from a conservative southern state, yarmuth says he avoided the issue for the past six years. but now he wants to reinstate the ban on assault weapons. >>...
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biden his "f" rating from the nra. the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. the group will face its critics with a press conference on friday. and last night on nra news online, host jenny simone gave a hint of their response. criticizing renewed support for a ban on assault weapons. >> more gun laws are not the answer. and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the answer, more guns. everywhere. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-gunners on the hill to listen to some of these survivors. at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left as sitting ducks. adam lanza knew he was going to be able to do what he wanted to do. >> for some, too many guns are never, ever enough. let's get right to our panel now. with me in new york is richard wolffe who's the v.p. and executive editor on msnbc.com and ari melber. there was almost the acknowledgment that this wild use of assau
biden his "f" rating from the nra. the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. the group will face its critics with a press conference on friday. and last night on nra news online, host jenny simone gave a hint of their response. criticizing renewed support for a ban on assault weapons. >> more gun laws are not the answer. and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the...
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right, friday the nra will talk in public for the first time. should be very interesting hear wlag they have to say. dan lothian, thanks very much. >>> it is 6 past the hour. the grief and good-byes continue today in newtown. four more funerals will be found for teacher vicky soto and three of the slain children, daniel barden, caroline previdi. with the community still in mourning, students in newtown went back to school. everyone but the sandy hook kids who will return after the winter break to school in a neighboring town. sandra endo has that part of the story. >> reporter: the first day back to school in newtown. children returning to classes tuesday and the painful reminder of those who could not. on the bus ride to school, grief was a constant reminder. >> i noticed it was quiet because people were thinking about the tragedy that happened. >> reporter: at schools teachers and students spent time to reflect. >> they just talked about how things will get better than they are now. i felt safe because when your teachers talk to and comfort yo
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>> the nra also retained asa hutchinson, former u.s. attorney, congressman and homeland security official, to develop a model school safety plan focused on issues of design and access control and training for students and educators alike that the group could, said could be tailored by any school to st its% individual needs. lou. lou: james, the two sides in this gun control debate, are now, if you will forgive the expression, they're armed up and going at it and getting ready for major confrontation. is there any compromise available in this, in this debate? >> as with the fiscal cliff it doesn't appear readily discernable, lou. president obama released a video message vowing to fight for new gun control laws early next year. the down tours of this debate are already taking shape as leading democrats are pressing for renewed assault weapons ban and for new limit on semitick ammunition magazines. a leading senate democrat says she favored schools being allowed to have armed guards if they so choose but she then cited the columbine massac
>> the nra also retained asa hutchinson, former u.s. attorney, congressman and homeland security official, to develop a model school safety plan focused on issues of design and access control and training for students and educators alike that the group could, said could be tailored by any school to st its% individual needs. lou. lou: james, the two sides in this gun control debate, are now, if you will forgive the expression, they're armed up and going at it and getting ready for major...
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we need each other, whether you support gun control, or the nra who should bring good ideas to citizens. we can protect the constitution, but we also have to protect our people. >> in annapolis, gov. martin o'malley says he supports looking into the gun issue, especially when it comes to safety. >> i do not have a bill to present to you. it is still very much a work in progress. it is work that i would guess that every state in the union as undertaking. >> we call several gun stores that declined on-camera interviews, but did tell 11 news that guns are moving off the shelves at record rates. we were referred to a news release that read in part upon what we call it -- we find it callous and disrespectful that certain politicians and gun control advocates are so focused on their political agenda that they could not find it in their hearts to refrain from publicly exploiting this heartbreaking tragedy until after the victims had been returned to their families and loved ones." and the democratic senator from the murray townie announced what he is calling an anti--- montgomery county announ
we need each other, whether you support gun control, or the nra who should bring good ideas to citizens. we can protect the constitution, but we also have to protect our people. >> in annapolis, gov. martin o'malley says he supports looking into the gun issue, especially when it comes to safety. >> i do not have a bill to present to you. it is still very much a work in progress. it is work that i would guess that every state in the union as undertaking. >> we call several gun...
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even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press" yesterday and had strong words calling on the president to exhibit leadership on the issue. i think there is a sense nationally that this time is different. we just talked to chris jansing on the ground in newtown, but that there is -- that i think for folks who have wanted to see reform on our nation's gun laws, that this could be an inflexion point. does the mayor share that feeling? >> he hopes so. you know, i may be alone in this, but i am just no longer comforted by comforting words. i feel like as the governor said, you know, we've become very good at doing these memorials after these events and then nothing
even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press"...
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one is a former member of the nra. i don't have issue with an american's right to defend themselves in their home. i have a massive issue with the ease that people who are clearly unstable can just get their hands on ar-15s and commit these atrocities. >> you know, listen. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what i think. and it really, with all due respect, doesn't matter what you think. it matters what the vision is of the american public. you know, we all, as a nation, we know we are better than this. that's why we started this website and this petition, wearebetterthanthis.org. we have shootings in malls and movie theaters and places of worship. we need to have an open, honest conversation of what we can do to solve the problem. the american public, you know, do they think that the answer to violence is more violence? that the answer to guns is more guns? you know, i would love to open that up in the public discourse and have the american public decide because i think what we would find is this issue isn't nea
one is a former member of the nra. i don't have issue with an american's right to defend themselves in their home. i have a massive issue with the ease that people who are clearly unstable can just get their hands on ar-15s and commit these atrocities. >> you know, listen. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what i think. and it really, with all due respect, doesn't matter what you think. it matters what the vision is of the american public. you know, we all, as a nation, we know we...